Не трябва ли пачовете да са кракнати?

Значи съм безумец но всички играем базовият баланс и нямам проблеми нито със A.I нито със играта. Ако не ти харесва си ги качваш и си решаваш проблема нас не ни пречи.

Forgotten занчи ако пачнеш до последна версия крак повече нети трябва ето промените в новите версии сам си прецени дали си заслужава предполагам си с 1.4

Patch 1.51 Release Notes



General Fixes

Network lag and stuttering improvements
Game doesn’t use 100% of processor anymore when alt-tabbed out.




Game Balance Fixes



Global

Reduced resources for deleting a finished Headquarters, Barracks, and Plasma Generator from 50% to 10%
Space Marines

Tactical Marines



Decreased health of Tactical Marines from 405 to 390
Increased cost of Plasma Guns from 40/10 to 40/15
Reduced Target Finders damage bonus for Heavy Bolters from 50% to 35%
Reduced Bionics health bonus for Tactical Marines from 35% to 25%
Reduced armor penetration of Tactical Marine’s Knife versus infantry medium from 70.383 to 60
Reduced Tactical Marine’s Frag Grenade stun duration from 3.0 seconds to 2.5 seconds


Scout Marines



Increased health of Scout Marines from 285 to 295
Reduced armor penetration of Sniper Rifle versus infantry medium from 75 to 50
Reduced Bionics health bonus for Scout Marines from 35% to 25%


Assault Marines



Reduced research time of Melta Bombs from 70 seconds to 45 seconds


Chaplain



Reduced Shout duration from 20 to 15 seconds


Turrets



Reduced cost of Space Marine Turrets from 110/55 to 100/50


Imperial Guard

Guardsmen



Increased Guardsmen starting squad from 4 to 5 (squad cost and build time remains unchanged)
Increased health of Guardsmen from 150 to 160


Commissar



Increased health regeneration bonus of Commissar by 25%


Basilisk



Fix – Basilisk’s regular shots don’t expend resources after firing the Earthshaker round
Reduced damage of Basilisk by 20%


Psyker



Reduced duration of Curse of the Machine Spirit from 20 seconds to 15 seconds


Chaos

Khorne Berserkers



Reduced squad cost of Khorne Berserkers from 4 to 3


Rhino



Reduced support cost of Chaos Rhino from 1 to 0
Implemented a squad cap of 3 Chaos Rhinos


Orks

Tankbusta



Reduced Tankbusta Rokkit damage by 10%


Shootaboyz



Increased Shootaboyz squad train time from 26 seconds to 30 seconds
Increased damage of Big Shoota weapon by 20%
Reduced cost of Big Shoota weapon from 40/30 to 40/10




Sluggaboyz



Increased Sluggaboyz squad train time from 16 seconds to 18 seconds




Eldar



Dark Reaper



Dark Reapers can no longer fire on the move
Reduced Dark Reaper damage by 10%


Warp Spider



Increased armor penetration of Warp Spiders versus heavy high from 25.5 to 32




August 2006



Relic has just released Patch 1.51 for Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War and Winter Assault. This patch address several game balance issues and introduces some fixes to the online game.



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Patch 1.50 Release Notes

General Fixes



Network code optimized, command lag has been reduced
Observer Mode / Replays

Observers no longer have a ready button
Observers and replay watchers, can now see production and technology queues.
Observers and replay watchers, can now see weapon upgrade information
Fix a bug that was causing recorded games to go out of sync.
The chat history is now available in replays.
Randomizer Enhancements

Random race selection algorithm improved
When selecting the random teams option it is now possible to select 3 or 4 teams rather than just 2
Random teams now functions properly adding random member positioning to game maps.
Players are now assigned to teams randomly
You are now less likely to get the same race twice in consecutive games.
Land Mines

Increased damage of land mines by 100%
Tier One Buff

Hit points and attack damage of all tier one units was increased by 25%.
Tier 2 upgrades now give fewer bonuses to tier one units except Sluggas and Shootaboyz which are now stronger in Tier two.
All turrets are 25% cheaper
The attack power of the listening post's turret was increased by 25%.
Increased damage of Tier 1 spells by 25%
Rally points

Rally points can now be placed on selected unit, allowing a player to send any new units from a building to them.
Stealth Units

Stealth units now sound silent unless the hidden unit can be seen.
Units

Troop squads will no longer drop out of their control groups when the original members are killed.


Space Marines



Chaplain & Apothecary

Reduced the healing effect of the secondary healing aura of the Chaplain & Apothecary from 4 to 2. The primary, smaller, healing aura remains the unchanged
Reduced the health regeneration rate of the Chaplain to 1
Scouts

Decreased Scout Hit Points from 250 to 230
Decreased reload time of Sniper Rifle from 12 seconds to 9 seconds
Tactical Marines

Increased Space Marine Hit Points from 300 to 325
Increased Missile Launcher damage against Vehicle Medium targets from 38% to 50%
Reduced setup time of Missile Launchers from 2.5 to 2.0 seconds
Reduced the reload time of the Tactical Space Marine Sergeant's Power Fists from 2 seconds to 1 second
Reduced the damage the Tactical Space Marine Sergeant's Power Sword does to Vehicle and Building armor
(2) Space Marine's Heavy Bolter setup time increased by 0.5 seconds
Assault Space Marines

Reduced the health of Assault Space Marines from 400 to 375
The damage Assault Marines do to vehicle and building armor was reduced.
Reduced the benefit offered by Bionics
Reduced effectiveness of Melta Bombs against Building High targets from 75% to 50%
Reduced the reload time of the Assault Space Marine Sergeant's Power Fists from 2 seconds to 1 second
Reduced the damage the Assault Space Marine Sergeant's Power Sword does to Vehicle and Building armor
Assault Terminators

Reduced the frequency of the stun effect on the Assault Terminator's Thunder Hammer
Rhinos

Hit points increased to 2,000
Armor class improved from Vehicle Low to Vehicle Medium
The Rhino's Smoke Launchers now have a reduced cool down and increased duration and radius of effect.
Landspeeders

Reduced the cost from (150 Requisition / 130 Power) to (120 Requisition / 90 Power)
Reduced the Support Cap cost to 1 Population
Increased Land Speeder's Assault Cannon Weapon penetration against Infantry Medium from 36.3 to 40%
Increased Land Speeder's Assault Cannon Weapon penetration against Infantry Heavy Medium from 19.6 to 25%
Increased Land Speeder's Assault Cannon Weapon penetration against Infantry High from 25 to 30%
Increased Land Speeder's Assault Cannon Weapon penetration against Infantry Heavy High from 9.6% to 25%
Hellfire Dreadnoughts

Reduced the amount of damage dealt to Vehicle Low armor
Dreadnoughts

Reduced Dreadnought's damage against building high by 25%
Whirlwinds

Increased the cost from (145 Requisition / 260 Power) to (190 Requisition / 300 Power)
Reduced Whirlwind's hit points from 5,000 to 2,500
Orbital Bombardment

Enemy players can no longer see the Orbital Bombardment targeting cursor
Orbital Bombardment does less damage to HQs
The Orbital Bombardment is now on a global timer to prevent players from deleting their Force Commander and rebuilding him to circumvent the ability’s cool down.


Chaos



Aspiring Champion

Increased cost from 55 Requisition / 0 Power to 65 Requisition / 0 Power
Increased the build time from 15 seconds to 20 seconds
Increased the damage to Heavy High to be in line with other plasma weapons
Reduced the reload time of the Aspiring Champion Power Fist to 1 second (down from 2)
Reduced the damage on the Plasma Pistol does to Monster Medium by 35%
Reduced the damage on the Plasma Pistol does to Building Low by 50%
Chaos Sorceror

Reduced the damage the Plasma Pistol does to Building Low by 50%
Reduce melee damage to building low by 20%
Corruption now does a minimum of 5 damage every second
The cost of the Chaos Sorcerer was increased to (150 Requisition and 75 Power) from from (150 Requisition / 50 Power).
Increased the build time of the Chaos Sorcerer from 20 seconds to 40 seconds
Increased the hitpoints of the Chaos Sorcerer from 800 to 1000
Chaos Lord

Reduced the damage the Plasma Pistol does to Vehicle Low by 35%
Reduced the damage the Plasma Pistol does to Monster Medium by 35%
Reduced the damage the Plasma Pistol does to Building Low by 50%
Removed the damage penalty from the Daemon Strength ability.
Cultists

Knife penetration versus infantry medium increased from 55 to 84
Knife damage increased by 15%
Grenade Launcher damage versus infantry reduced
Hotkey for Grenade Launcher changed from "G" to "N" to avoid conflict with the Attack Ground hotkey and Squad Leader Upgrade
Raptors

Now have the Flame Thrower heavy weapon upgrade. This flame thrower is considerably more powerful than the typical flame thrower in Dawn of War.
Jumps now cost 2/3 of their maximum charge rather than 1/2.
Reduced the reload time of the Raptor Champion's Power Fist to 1 second (down from 2)
Chaos Space Marines

Standardized Chaos Space Marine Heavy Bolter damage and reload time
Khorne Berserkers

Increased population cost from 2 to 4
Chaos Horrors

Reduced hit points from 700 to 600
Increased the amount of damage to Building Medium by 20%
Increased the amount of damage to Building Low by 50%
Obliterators

Added a movement penalty to the Assault Cannon
Rhinos

Hitpoints increased to 2,000
Armor class improved from Vehicle Low to Vehicle Medium
Improved cooldown, duration, and radius of Smoke Launchers
Defiler

Reduced Chaos Defiler's penetration against Building High targets from 60 to 45

Predator

Chaos Predator power cost increased by 30 power
Chaos Armory

Chaos Heavy Weapons research has been restored
Increases the number of Heavy Bolters a Chaos Marine squad can equip from 2 to 4
Increases the number of heavy weapons a Cultist squad can equip from 3 to 5
Increases the number of flamers that a Raptor squad can equip from 2 to 4
Increased cost of Furious Charge from (50 Requisition / 25 Power) to (50 Requisition / 60 Power)
Increased the cost of Chaos Plasma Pistol research from (50 Requisition / 20 Power) to (50 Requisition / 30 Power)
Furious Charge

Increased Chaos Marine and Cultist's melee damage bonus from 15% to 25%
Increased the movement speed bonus for Cultists, Chaos Marines, Raptors and all Champions by 20%.
increased from 50 req/25 power to 50 req/60 power.
Furious Charge moved to Tier 2
Purge the Weak

Doubles the health of Aspiring Champions and Raptor Champions
Changes the armor type of Champions from Heavy Medium to Heavy High
Bestows the Fear Aura ability on Champions - Increases health of all members by 100 hit points
Aspiring Champions and Raptor Champions now only increase squad cap by 1 (down from 2)


Orks



Mek Boy

Increased the damage of the Mek Boy's Mega Blaster
Mek Boy should not break morale so easily now
Mega Armored Nobz

Dramatically reduced the amount of damage the Power Claw does to Vehicle High armor
Mega-Armored Nobz should not break morale so easily now
Sluggas

Reduced the build time of the Slugga Boy from 5 seconds to 4, reinforce time remains the same
Shootaboyz

Build time increased from 5.5 seconds to 6.5 seconds
Stormboyz

Reduced the population requirement for Stormboyz from 40 to 30
Reduced the amount of damage Stormboyz do to Vehicle Low
Reduced Stormboy melee damage vs. building low by 10%
Speed Boost now a research at the Pile O' Gunz for 50 Requisition/50 Power and 30 seconds, requiring Pile O' Gunz and 30 pop
Stormboyz can once again use Stikkbombs, requires the Pile O' Gunz
Tankbustaz

Damage against Vehicle Low and Vehicle Medium increased by 15
Tankbusta cost reduced to 50 requisition 10 power
Tankbusta hit points increased from 360 to 400
Tankbusta's armor type upgraded from Infantry High to Infantry Heavy Medium
Tankbustaz now come with a minimum squad number of 3 and a maximum squad number of 5
Accuracy on the move penalty increased to 0.25 from 0.075
Trukks

Reduced Big Shoota damage by 10%
Killa Kanz

Increased the accuracy of the Big Shoota to 70%
Squiggoth

Increased the Zzzap Gun's damage against most armor types
Decreased the damage of the Big Shootas against vehicle and building armor
HQ

Increased initial Waaagh! resource generation
Ork level 1 Mob Bonus no longer stacks
Thermal Generator

Orks no longer require a Banner for a Thermal Generator
Waaagh! Banners

Increased the hit points and attack power of the Ork Waaagh! Banners by 25%.


Eldar



Farseer

Guide now gives a 30% bonus to accuracy as opposed to 3000%
Reduced Psychic Storm damage to Infantry Medium from 90 to 75
Reduced Psychic Storm damage to Commanders from 100 to 80
Guardians

Eldar Guardian melee damage against Infantry High increased
Rangers

Rangers now have a squad cap limit of 1
Rangers now start with 5 squad members
Ranger build cost and reinforce cost has been reduced to 40 Requisition
Ranger Long Rifle now scales more dramatically with upgrades
Banshees

Morale Armor reduced to be in line with other units
Reduced Banshee damage versus Building Low and Building Medium targets
Reapers

Accuracy penalty while moving increased
Reduced hit points from 400 to 360.
Fire Dragons

Reduced damage against Building Low and Building Medium targets by 25%
Warp Spiders

Warp Spider damage decreased by 10%
Falcon Grav Tanks

Starcannon now does more damage to infantry targets
Vypers

Missile launcher is now the default weapon
Fixed Vyper rockets so that they will hit their targets properly
The Vyper Missile Launcher now has a knockdown effect that can be used to disrupt enemy infantry
Hit points increased to 1200
Armor class increased from Vehicle Low to Vehicle Medium
Wraithlords

Reduced melee penetration versus Building High from 26 to 20.
The Wraithlord's brightlance damage was reduced by 25% against vehicles and buildings.
Fire Prisms

Support Cap increased from 3 to 4
Listening Post

Increased the accuracy of the Eldar Fully Upgraded Listening Post Brightlance from 0.7 to 1.0
Thermal generator

Increase the build time of Eldar Thermal Generator from 45 seconds to 60 seconds


Imperial Guard



Tech Priest

Engineer Axe - Minimum Damage 1
Command Squad

Reduced melee damage of Command Squad versus Building Low armor by 30%
Uncommon Valor research now adds 100 hitpoints to each member of the Command Squad
Command Squad General

Increased ranged damage accuracy penalty while moving
Increased cost from (120 Requisition / 15 Power) to (120 Requisition / 25 Power)
Imperial General Power Gauntlet - Minimum Damage 1
Commissar

Now adds 200 morale to a squad rather than making a squad immune to morale damage
Increased build time from 20 to 25 seconds
Priest

Reduced the frequency of the Priest's synch kills
Priest Chainsword - Minimum Damage 1
Priest Eviscerator - Minimum Damage 1
Psyker

Increased the hitpoints of the Psyker and Command Squad Psyker by 100
Reduced the cost of the Telepathica Temple from (100 Requisition / 30) to (75 Requisition / 20)
Reduced cost of Command Squad Psyker from (100 Requisition / 100 Power) to (100 Requisition / 50 Power)
Reduced time of Command Squad Psyker from 55 seconds to 35 seconds
Now have a new ability known as Curse of the Machine Spirits. This ability changes the target vehicle's armor from vehicle armor to infantry armor and shuts off the vehicle's weapons for the duration of the ability.
Psyker Spike - Minimum Damage 1
Vindicare Assassin

Reduced the build time of the Vindicare Temple add-on from 20 seconds to 15 seconds
Increased the damage of the Exitus Rifle from 800 to 1200
Assassin Exitus Pistol - Minimum Damage 1
Guardsmen

Reduced armor from 120 to 100, hit points have been increased to compensate
Increased build time from 4 seconds to 5 seconds
Added a 1 second setup time to the Guardsmen Grenade Launcher
Hotkey for Grenade Launcher changed from "G" to "N" to avoid conflict with the Attack Ground hotkey and Squad Leader Upgrade
Added a 20% accuracy penalty while moving to the Guardsmen Lasgun
Decreased Plasma Gun penetration versus Building Low targets from 35 to 25
Guardsmen Knife - Minimum Damage 1
Kasrkins

Reduced damage of Kasrkin's Grenade Launcher by 30%
Reduced damage of Kasrkin's Plasma Gun by 50%
Weapon specialization now effects the Kasrkin's grenade launcher and plasma gun
Kasrkin Knife - Minimum Damage 1
Hellhounds

Fixed a bug that would cause the Hellhound to do perpetual damage to units even when no longer attacking that unit
Hellhound turret rotation speed increased
Basilisk

Fixed a bug that was causing the Basilisk not to fire at units within its maximum range
Basilisk reload-time increased from 4 to 6 seconds
The Basilisk now fires at units within its maximum range
HQ

Reduced resource return on Headquarters from 50% to 40%
Infantry Command

Increased build time of Infantry Command structure from 30 seconds to 36 seconds
Tactical Control

Increased cost of Weapon Specialization from (100 requisition / 25 power) to (100 requisition / 100 power)
Increased the research time of Weapon Specialization from 30 seconds to 45 seconds
Weapon Specialization now affects the Kasrkin Grenade Launcher and the Kasrkin Plasma Gun
Thermal Generator

Fixed power gift of Thermal Plasma Generator


June, 2006

Relic has just released Patch 1.50 for Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War and Winter Assault. This patch address several game balance issues and introduces some fixes to the online game.



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Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War - Patch 1.41 Changes
General Fixes
Killa Kanz now use 4 Support Cap (up from 2)

Tankbustaz have been increased in cost to 75/20 and have had their build/reinforce time increased to 20/15 seconds

Bomb Chuckaz now cost 50/50 (up from 25/25), and the train time has been increased to 25 seconds.

Increased the reinforce cost and reinforce time of Nob squads to 45/10

Increased the cost of the Waaugh banner Bigga Gunz upgrades to 50/50

Added a hotkey for the Mega-Armored Nob

Added a hotkey for the Mega-Armored Nob's Power Surge ability

Removed the starting Slugga Squad for Orks

Reduced the damage that Trakks do to building armor

Reduced the damage that Tankbustas do to building Armor

The Defiler auto cannon's damage has been considerably reduced

Defiler cost changed to 150/260

Increased the damage on the Chaos Lord's Plasma Pistol

Increased the damage on the Sorcerer's Plasma Pistol

Increased the damage on the Aspiring Champion and Raptor Champion's Power Sword and Plasma Pistol

Reduced the damage that the Raptor Bolter Pistol does to builder armor and commander armor

Reduced the amount of damage the Khornate Chain Axe does to vehicles

Increased the HP on the Assassin to 350 (up from 100)

Changed the Assassin's armor type to Commander

Increased the damage Assassins do to Commander Armor

Decreased the cost and build time of Satellite Targeting Resolution to 100/25 30 seconds (down from 150/150 90 seconds)

Weapon Specialization now requires Satellite Targeting Resolution

Fixed the graphic effect for the Leman Russ Battle Cannon (units hit by the battle cannon should now show an effect)

Imperial General and all members of the command squad can now detect infiltrated units



Priests can no longer detect infiltrated units



Priests have been increased in cost and build time to 100/50 30 seconds



Guardsman melee damage versus buildings has been lowered



Techpriest armor has been changed to commander armor



Techpriest HP have been increased to 250



Techpriest Laspistol damage has been lowered



Guard Power and Requisition upgrade bonuses are now closer to those of the other races



Body Armor upgrade has been increased in cost and build time to 100/50 45 seconds

Reduced the training cost of the Assault Marine from 60 to 55

Increased the damage the Space Marine Tactical Missile Launcher does against buildings

Increased the damage on the Force Commander's Power Sword and Plasma Pistol

Increased the damage on the Chaplain's Power Sword and Plasma Pistol

Increased the damage on the Librarian's Power Sword and Plasma Pistol

Increased the damage on the Sergeant and Assault Sergeant's Power Sword and Plasma Pistol

Changed the Hotkey for the Chaplain to C

Added a hotkey for Sniper Training

Changed the Hotkey for Scout Infiltration research

Increased the cost and build time of Melta Bomb Research

Increased the duration of the Eldar Entanglement ability to 7 seconds (up from 3)

Reduced the research times for the Eldar Infantry Accuracy Upgrades

Reduced the research times for the Eldar Infantry Health Upgrades

Increased the effectiveness of the Eldar Infantry Accuracy Upgrades

Increased the effectiveness of the Eldar Infantry Health Upgrades

Removed the phantom slag deposits on Battle Marshes

Fixed an issue where DOW used the WA maps in Automatch games.

Fixed an issue where hotkeys stopped working after player pressed Alt-Tab to switch between game and other applications.

Fixed a rare crash when player logged in to Online game.

Fixed occasional crash due to memory leak where the Army Painter would crash after being open for more than 10 minutes.

Доказа твърдението ми.

Моето твърдение е, че ЗАДЪЛЖИТЕЛНО ТРЯБВА да се пачва, защото ако ми седите на 1.4 ще ви напукам задниците с имбясалите ИГ без дори да съм играл с тях! Хората реваха и релик спешно правиха кръпка 1.41 което не е нормален пач, а поправка на грешка. На тази игра няма баланс ! Поне няма смисъл да се забива на 1 пач и част от динамиката на играта е да се смени баланса и да се използва расата по различен начин(хм това ще го пусна и в форума на релик )
Няма смисъл да забиваш на 1 пач с еднин баланс и да си переш с имбясалото иг и елдарски призми и толкоз. Да не говорим, че експанжана иска последния пач, в форума за обсъждане на баланса е за последния пач, реплеовете са на последния пач, а ако не ги следиш си с много назад от този който го прави

За какво говориме ?

Ако експа го иска а се съмнявам защото е стенд алоне. Ще го има в миръра който ще излезне така ,че е все тая. Веднъж качен на него нищо не слагам повече, просто няма смисъл и то никакъв. Защото на 5-мата които го играем мулти заедно НЕ НИ ПРЕЧИ и не е нужно да се качва нещо за да намалява ресурс рейта или да увеличава кръвта на SM или намалява цената на бих шоотас смешна работа.


П.с - Ако ми бе оригинален бих ги качвал само за да мога да играя он-лайн.

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Така ,че да се убеждаваме едно в друго няма смисъл.

Точно. Какъв е смисъла да пачваме, след като не играем онлайн? Така и така си правим кефа.

"Пачването прави играта динамична" , "Пачването оправя грешки"
Как да го кажа за вас ако нямаше Dark Crusade играта щеше да умре защото сте забили на 1 тактики и ще ви писне. Ако пачвате баланса се променя почват да се използват нови единици, могат да се побеждават други, играта се променя. Все едно да забиеш на cs 1.5 и да стреляш там и да си правиш кефа...

Оо приятелю работата никак не е смешна... Ако знаеше, че на предния пач имаше схема като Tac Mass / масване на маринки и денсване с огромен успех/ и другите изреваха, но се испотиха да мислят схеми за спирането им... Това е динамиката на играта вие толкова ми играете 1.4 щом не сте изревали от иг-то...

Не сме изревали от Иг - то, първо, защото аз играя с него и изобщо не е имба, даже инсейна като ми влезе на 2рата минута се чудя с кво да го спра...

А инсейн компютър иг е просто мизерен, мре с милиони.

Да ти кажа нещо хората правят динамичната играта.

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Нека всеки играе както намери за добре, особенно когато тази играя я играя откакто е излязла и не ми е омръзнала, да не говорим преди това и за table-top-а със приятели и да ти кажа там нямаше пачове и беше нечовешко.

Да добавя - аз лично си я разнообразявам с нови армии/карти/пробвайки някоя различна раса/тактика...

е това последното си длъжен да го правиш на новия пач, а отностно иг-то - толкова ми играете вие
Бтв сещам се за един случай, 1 финландец заеба аверите с които ираеше защото те пачнаха, а на новия пач призмите не са такива имби каквито бяха/кибичат в различни ирс канали вече/. При вас може да е съшото знам ли

Като че ли ти ще знаеш

Между другото, сега и да пачваме няма смисъл - направо след един месец като излезе DC ще му мислим

Ами знам защото на 1.4 съм гледал реплей който беше кръстен "humiliation"
Маринките буквално нямаха какво да направят
Иг-то пуснаха първия скуад в атака, втори се прави и той отиде там, 1-2 комисаря и играта беше готова. Когато пристигнаха маринката нямаше казарма, биеше се с 2 скуада скаути които паднаха позорно
Направи казарма и искара очаквано ФК, но 2 скуада с 1-2 комисаря го смелиха набарзо Тогава махан пукаше бота така и се нервеше, че не може да играе с иг щот са прекалени имби.. Ко да се прави.
Ти ако переш на развитие с тях е ясна работата... или ако се сравняваш с инсейн който взима 2 пъти повече ресурс. Бие се но не само с желание

П.П бтв заглеждал ли си се какъв е армора на Techpriest Engineseer ? Знаеш ли колко са яки ?

Тази тактика не ми се вярва да стане на по - голяма карта, иначе и аз съм го изпитвал това на карта с 2 човека...

А иначе инжинерите са къртещи, свалят орки по - бързо от отряди иг направо :Р

Бейс едишъните са the best. Зверски . Важното е по-бързо да се качи DC.

П.С - Тактиката със СМ на ИГ и Иг да бият не,не,не. Играл съм многооооооооооооооооооо и такова нещо е невъзможно и то срещу хора. Притискаш го и когато решиш ,че си го згащил ти претопява гардсмените със маринките просто НЕ става. После се обръща играта и мамата си трака.

Но виж ако играеш срещу тотален инвалид е напълно в реда на нещата.

Sunerphey няма смисал да им обясняваш те са непросветени щом мислят че ор релик си прават пачове просто е така щото си нямат друга работа това си е тяхно мнение всеки има право да е заблуден колкото си иска лично мен неми пречат

Страхотно особенно, ако видя някъде да сме заблудени. Нас не ни итересува дали е по-добре или по-зле направили сме свой избор и заблуденият си ти мислейки си ,че като качваш пачове ще станеш добър играч.

Това е един вид смяна на правилата което е смешно при една table-top игра където си има правила които никога не се променят. А Warhammer именно това настолна игра и винаги ще остане това. До колкото знам бейс едишъните със всичко в тях е извадка от кодексите така ,че да казваш ,че е зле при положение ,че е измислено и изпробвано е чиста твоя заблуда.

Не ти пречиме да играеш както си искаш и с който си искаш , така ,че ако обичаш тези подмятания можеш да запазиш за себе си.

Онзи реплей с ИГ и маринката не се забравя, но най-яркият спомен от тази версия ми е когато скуад гардсмени с комисар видя сметката на едни асаут маринки в ръкопашна. Всъщност помня и как един комисар пое цяла група слъга самостоятелно...на тая пач сега ако ме сложите отново ще гледам като извънземно.
DC ще иска пач 1.5, което означава, че ще трябва да се пачва, препоръчвам ви да пачвате тъй като без пачове както каза Sunerphey известна част от динамиката се губи, а пък и без тях играта ще ви умръзне доста по-бързо(DC се очаква да бъде последният експейжън), а пък и нито е трудно да се прави нито е неприятно.

Едит: Forgotten ТТ е имал МНОГО едйитове, всеки едишън променя нещо в играта и я балансира, а има книга с тактики за СМ която цели да покаже, че те не са ъндърпауаред, също така в сайта на ГМ има секция с промените в книгите направени по-късно и неиздадени в друг едишън(но слежени в новите копия) които променят балансът.